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MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/08/08 14:23:00	Tags : None " Educating with Literature " How To Do Manga Scripts Welcome to the HTDMS Thread, for discussion of and research into the many Literary aspects of Manga. I'm Yama, known elsewhere as TKS. And I'll be helping you with the topic at hand, along with other members who wish to participate. Otherwise, feel free to share and discuss some of your own points. - Yama TKS Note : This thread does not exclude the usual discussion and exhibiting of Art we get on HTDM, as long as it's relevant. If you post up something interesting, I will pin it to the Quick Reference section. Quick Reference [+] [A] Characterization (by Yama) [B] Plot(by lamnura) [C] Setting (Pending... ) [D] Theme (Pending... ) Other Links [+] Plot Coupon : ("... an object whose possession or use is necessary in order to resolve the conflict... ", by Eskimo777) Deus ex machina : ("God out of a machine", An unlikely means of resolving a hopeless situation, by Eskimo777) Lampshade Hanging : ("... a technique used... to deflect attention from implausible or just plain bad writing", by Eskimo777) Those who wish to join the staff need only ask. (As a member of the staff you're obliged to help people out with their questions.) Staff [+] Yamayoshi (Temporarily Unavailable) Eskimo777 (Available) Light Zukashi (pending...) kikitue (Available) lamnura (Available) Note : This thread is a continuation of " An Introduction to Manga. How would you Introduce your Manga?" Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/21/08 10:50:49. Edited 20 times.
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RavynM		#1	[url]	[-]
MU Junior Posts: 387 06/08/08 23:14:56	whoa! ill read this when i have more time. good going this is awesome!
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Eskimo777		#2	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1130 06/09/08 01:27:37	Congratulations TKS on being organised to the max and making a script thread! Looks nice and professional too. Bring on the hardcore literature skillz. [[ My DeviantArt! Check it out! ]] [[Brawl me!! 1541-6644-9229]]
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lamnura		#3	[url]	[-]
MU Junior Posts: 148 06/09/08 14:39:57	I support this thread. I know it's preemptive but I hope this gets stickied at some point. I get the feeling you'll be providing much needed knowledge to a lot of us lounging here.
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kikitue		#4	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1216 06/09/08 15:04:58	Uhm ... ... all of these things are only necessary if you want to become a writer ... a fictional one ... right? or maybe even a Journalist! But these are basics really if you want to get into literature or become a Professional at something "Read everything" and not to be bias But you should only read things like history and science if you'll need to use it, there's no point in learning something that you know for definite that you'll never use. My advice is read newspapers, not tabloid ones, but proper news news like the Sunday times packs. Newspapers contain a lot of common knowledge that you will definitely need to know for the future and also articles have been specially prepared so that you learn something new be it in science or historical subjects. Plus they have lots of words you don't know so you can expand your vocabulary too n_n kikitue xx I'm a little mouse whooo!
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Light Zukashi		#5	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 759 06/09/08 15:06:10	It's about time you came to. :EDIT: Nice add Kiki-san. But it would be hard to say if you didn't need it somewhere along your life, the future holds many unsee-able events Giving and receiving criticism, by Ellen 'the Alaskan' Million at Elfwood. Last Edited By: Light Zukashi 06/09/08 15:08:56. Edited 1 time.
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Eskimo777		#6	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1130 06/10/08 01:01:37	kikitue wrote: Uhm ... ... all of these things are only necessary if you want to become a writer ... a fictional one ... right? ...Or a mangaka, like many many of us here. Oh, and I learnt in English, that ALL nespapers are too manipulative to take without a pinch (or cupful) of salt. Dont' believe what they say! The sunny holiday in the Bahamas in the Travel section is not actually that nice. Anyway, I better make this post useful. Have a lit-tech. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov%27s_gun [[ My DeviantArt! Check it out! ]] [[Brawl me!! 1541-6644-9229]]
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yamayoshi		#7	[url]	[-]
MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/10/08 03:44:19	RavenM [+] "whoa! ill read this when i have more time. good going this is awesome!" Thanks M, glad you like. Eskimo777 [+] Congratulations TKS on being organized to the max and making a script thread! Looks nice and professional too. Bring on the hardcore literature skillz. Thanks Eskimo, glad you like too. And I should post something by this afternoon (GMT +2). If not then, then tomorrow. lamnura [+] I support this thread. I know it's pre-emptive but I hope this gets stickied at some point. I get the feeling you'll be providing much needed knowledge to a lot of us lounging here. Hey lamnura, thanks for the support (and welcome to HTDM). Whether or whether not Mangaka7 decides to sticky this thread doesn't matter to me. As long as there are people who are interested and helping out, I'm cool. kikitue [+] Uhm ... ... all of these things are only necessary if you want to become a writer ... a fictional one ... right? or maybe even a Journalist! But these are basics really if you want to get into literature or become a Professional at something "Read everything" and not to be bias But you should only read things like history and science if you'll need to use it, there's no point in learning something that you know for definite that you'll never use. My advice is read newspapers, not tabloid ones, but proper news news like the Sunday times packs. Newspapers contain a lot of common knowledge that you will definitely need to know for the future and also articles have been specially prepared so that you learn something new be it in science or historical subjects. Plus they have lots of words you don't know so you can expand your vocabulary too n_n kikitue xx Hey kikitue, thanks for the concern. While I agree with what you say about Newspapers (not tabloids, and a good source of common knowledge- true indeed), I also agree with what Light has said. Life's ironic. Today you're doing fine without all the work (school years), but tomorrow (the aftermath) you're swamped with the realization that knowledge and the lack of it is the difference between a good paycheck and a not so good one. "Knowledge is power." Light Zukashi [+] It's about time you came to. :EDIT: Nice add Kiki-san. But it would be hard to say if you didn't need it somewhere along your life, the future holds many unsee-able events Like changing continents hehe. Eskimo777 [+] ...Or a mangaka, like many many of us here. Oh, and I learnt in English, that ALL nespapers are too manipulative to take without a pinch (or cupful) of salt. Dont' believe what they say! The sunny holiday in the Bahamas in the Travel section is not actually that nice. Anyway, I better make this post useful. Have a lit-tech. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov%27s_gun "do not include any unnecessary elements in a story" is definitely where Creative writing gets complicated. (Chekov's gun) Everybody hates this one : The Cliche Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/12/08 09:23:30. Edited 2 times.
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kikitue		#8	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1216 06/10/08 14:05:51	To Yamayoshi: Ofcourse knowledge is power but you also can't get too caught up in learning and not take care of your body, would you like to 'get' a paycheck or die from ill health and get no paycheck at all? To Light: Yup the future is unseeable so if you read newspapers you get a wide range of knowledge but if you only look in one section ie science then you will only learn things in that area plus there's no need to go into detail unless you're going to get into a proffession in that area otherwise you don't get to use all the nifty big words you learned. It's almost like learning a new language and speaking it in the wrong country. To Eskimo: Yeah but they also contain hard facts and I don't think that they are manipulative but yeah I know what you mean so you got to keep your wits about you and stuff when you're reading newspapers. kikitue xx I'm a little mouse whooo!
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yamayoshi		#9	[url]	[-]
MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/11/08 05:40:49	Kikitue [+] To Yamayoshi: Ofcourse knowledge is power but you also can't get too caught up in learning and not take care of your body, would you like to 'get' a paycheck or die from ill health and get no paycheck at all? Hey Kiki, When I said, "Read EVERYTHING", I didn't mean that literally. I was only making a point. So yeah, exercise/the body is important too. Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/12/08 03:29:02. Edited 2 times.
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Eskimo777		#10	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1130 06/11/08 05:50:05	lol yeah, I thought the whole "be healthy" thing was a bit random. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_coupon Is this lazy? DBZ and other manga used this a lot. [[ My DeviantArt! Check it out! ]] [[Brawl me!! 1541-6644-9229]]
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yamayoshi		#11	[url]	[-]
MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/11/08 10:00:13	[A] Characterization Characterization : is the study of characters and their personalities. The Fictional Character Model [+] Archetypes Driver Characters Protagonist : The driver of the story and one who forces the action, whose defining characteristics are "Pursue" and "Consider". [Jungian Equivalent : Hero] Antagonist : The character directly opposed to the Protagonist… "Prevent" and "Re-consider". [Jungian Equivalent : Shadow] Guardian : A teacher or helper who directly aids the Protagonist… "Help" & "Conscience". [Jungian Equivalent : Wise Old Man/Woman, also referred to as The Mentor] Passenger Characters [Jungian Equivalent : Trickster] Reason : Makes its decisions and takes action on the basis of logic… "Control" & "Logic". Emotion : Responds with its feelings without thinking… "Uncontrolled" & "Feeling" Sidekick : Unfailing in its loyalty and support… "Support" & "Faith". Skeptic : Doubts everything… "Oppose" & "Disbelief". Some ways of classifying characters Round Characters : are complex and realistic; represent a depth in personality which is imitative of life. They frequently possess both good and bad traits, and they may react unexpectedly or become entangled in their own interior conflicts. These characters have been fully developed by an author, physically, mentally, and emotionally, and are detailed enough to seem real. A round character is usually a main character, and is developed over the course of the story. Flat Characters : are distinguished by their lack of a realistic personality. Though the description of a flat character may be detailed and rich in defining characteristics, it falls short of the complexity associated with a round characters. Dynamic Characters : change significantly during the course of a story, in sight or understanding, in commitment, and change in values. Change in circumstance, even physical circumstance, do not apply unless they result in some change within a character's self. Static Characters : do not undergo significant change. A static character is a literary character that remains basically unchanged throughout a work. Whether round or flat, their personalities remain essentially stable throughout the course of the story. The Jungian Character Model [+] The Self : The regulating center of the psyche and facilitator of individuation (becoming individual). The Shadow : The opposite of the ego image, often containing qualities that the ego does not identify with but possesses nonetheless. The Anima : The feminine image in a man's psyche. The Animus : The masculine image in a woman's psyche The Persona : The artificial personality. The Syzygy : The pairing of contrasexual opposites (Anima & Animus), which symbolize the communication of the conscious and unconscious minds. The conjunction of two organisms without the loss of identity. The Child : The child like conditions in the individual. The Hero : The hero like conditions in the individual. The Great Mother : The Mother like conditions in the individual. The Wise old man : The Teacher. The Trickster or Fox : The clever, mischievous man or creature, who tries to survive the dangers and challenges of the world using trickery and deceit as a defense. The Puer Aeternus : (Latin for "eternal boy") and represents a personality associated with youth or immaturity. The Cosmic Man : The artist-scientist : The Scarlet Women : The Faceless Man : etc... The Theophrastus Character Model [+] The Insincere Man (Eironeia) The Flatterer (Kolakeia) The Garrulous Man (Adoleschia) The Boor (Agroikia) The Complaisant Man (Areskeia) The Man without Moral Feeling (Aponoia) The Talkative Man (Lalia) The Fabricator (Logopoiia) The Shamelessly Greedy Man (Anaischuntia) The Pennypincher (Mikrologia) The Offensive Man (Bdeluria) The Hapless Man (Akairia) The Officious Man (Periergia) The Absent-Minded Man (Anaisthesia) The Unsociable Man (Authadeia) The Superstitious Man (Deisidaimonia) The Faultfinder (Mempsimoiria) The Suspicious Man (Apistia) The Repulsive Man (Duschereia) The Unpleasant Man (Aedia) The Man of Petty Ambition (Mikrophilotimia) The Stingy Man (Aneleutheria) The Show-Off (Alazoneia) The Arrogant Man (Huperephania) The Coward (Deilia) The Oligarchical Man (Oligarchia) The Late Learner (Opsimathia) The Slanderer (Kakologia) The Lover of Bad Company (Philoponeria) The Basely Covetous Man (Aischrokerdeia) Tricks & Tips : Profiling [+] Profiling is when you make short lists of a character's characteristics, and is a good exercise to practice if you want to organize your thoughts. For instance, if I were writing about characters set in "Feudal War Japan", I could profile them in this order : Name : Sato, Tsushino Gender : Male Born : 1995 Age : 13 Family : Sato, Nakamura (Father); Ito, Sakura (Sister); Sato, Yumika (Mother, deceased) Clan : Ichikage Village : Gohebi Rank : Subordinate (sempai I think) of Sasore Sensei Tai Jutsu : Basic Martial Arts; Kenjutsu Magic Jutsu : Hinotama no Jutsu (Fireball); Kuchiyose - Ichikagenoryu (Summon Ichikage Dragon, Bloodline limit) Description: Minor character, Protagonist, Emotion, Flat Static, The Shadow... Interests, dislikes, ambitions and so on. Note : This article is a short compiled version of other articles found on wikipedia and answers.com. Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/12/08 04:35:58. Edited 3 times.
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yamayoshi		#12	[url]	[-]
MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/11/08 11:03:47	Eskimo777 [+] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_coupon Is this lazy? DBZ and other manga used this a lot. quote [+] "...A plot coupon is an object whose possession or use is necessary in order to resolve the conflict upon which the plot hangs, when this necessity clearly springs from the arbitrary decision of the author to make it so necessary. (The name is derived from a joke: When the characters have collected enough plot coupons, they can trade them in for the denouement.) For example, if the main plot of a novel concerns an ancient artifact that was broken into several pieces, and which must now be collected, reassembled, and activated in order to defeat an alien threat, the separate pieces of the artifact are surely plot coupons... Also like every other workhorse plot device, plot coupons lend themselves to easy use by naive or unskilled writers. " Hey Eskimo777, No, I don't think it is lazy, but if used "too much", then yes, probably. It could be considered cliche too. -Yama TKS Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/12/08 09:25:18. Edited 2 times.
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Eskimo777		#13	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1130 06/14/08 03:55:51	Hey, hey. It's time for another Literary Technique Power Up link. This time, it's the controversial technique of deus ex machina. For those who don't speak Latin, it means "god from a machine". Basically, it's a twist ending device used as a "cure all", to help characters out of often difficult, climatic situations, without having to explain it much. Most people see it as lazy writing, so I would do my best to avoid using it if I were you. Saying that though, it could be used comically if used in conjunction with lampshade hanging, as I intend to do with my manga. Don't over use this either though, or readers won't forgive you for being a lazy writer all the time. [[ My DeviantArt! Check it out! ]] [[Brawl me!! 1541-6644-9229]]
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lamnura		#14	[url]	[-]
MU Junior Posts: 148 06/14/08 11:12:43	The dream sequence ending has been overdone to the point of predictability and dissatisfying when unveiled.
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yamayoshi		#15	[url]	[-]
MU Major Leaguer Posts: 207 06/15/08 04:25:29	Eskimo777 [+] Hey, hey. It's time for another Literary Technique Power Up link. This time, it's the controversial technique of deus ex machina. For those who don't speak Latin, it means "god from a machine". Basically, it's a twist ending device used as a "cure all", to help characters out of often difficult, climatic situations, without having to explain it much. Most people see it as lazy writing, so I would do my best to avoid using it if I were you. Saying that though, it could be used comically if used in conjunction with lampshade hanging, as I intend to do with my manga. Don't over use this either though, or readers won't forgive you for being a lazy writer all the time. Interesting read. Deus ex machina reminds me a lot of Ancient Greek Myth : Some Greek dude will be stricken with a major problem, then out of nowhere some god flies into the scene, pixie dust and all, and fixes everything faster than you or I can say the alphabet. And leaves me wondering, "that story could have been a lot more interesting if this or that had happened... excluding the god cure all.". lamnura [+] The dream sequence ending has been overdone to the point of predictability and dissatisfying when unveiled. I'm trying to think of one of those movies, I can't quite name it, but I know what you mean. Very dissatisfying. Last Edited By: yamayoshi 06/15/08 04:33:09. Edited 1 time.
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Eskimo777		#16	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1130 06/15/08 06:01:12	What about the TV series Dallas? Wasn't that all a crazy dream? [[ My DeviantArt! Check it out! ]] [[Brawl me!! 1541-6644-9229]]
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kikitue		#17	[url]	[-]
MU Senior Posts: 1216 06/15/08 13:58:30	WHAT IS UP WITH ALL OF THIS [+] stuff??? kikitue xx I'm a little mouse whooo!
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